Tuesday, February 3, 2009

How To ETS Out Of The Army

Finding the answers and guidance to this is a bitch, moreso than one would expect. There isn't much information on the net, and what IS on there is tends to be written by gung-ho re-up types.

So here's the deal, this is what you future Short-Timers must do. For everyone else, this is boring jargon.

Keep all your hand receipts so you don't get fucked out of money. If you loaned a buddy gear, get that shit back. I haven't turned my shit into CIF yet, and I might be paying for a few things. They say its cheaper to pay the cost at CIF than it is to buy a replacement. Either way, keep track of your shit.

180 days from your ETS date, you can get your initial ACAP (Army Career and Alumni Program) brief. This is the beginning. You can choose to continue the ACAP process for one of two reasons:

1) It helps you line up a job as well as write a half-decent resume and how to bullshit your way into saying that the one week that you "were in charge" of your peers is leadership experience, and now you are qualified to bravely lead the mail room or the McGrill.

2) It gets you out of work. Just make sure you have an appointment slip. There's a lot of useful information at these sessions, and you get to wear civilian clothes.

You can get an optional medical exam through Tricare. Your "Final Physical" is a pen and paper session with your PA, and sadly, no, it does not mean you don't have to do PT anymore. But if your unit seems to believe that it does, keep your mouth shut and enjoy shamming.

Keep sick call slips, profiles, get injuries documented, all that. Fuck that Army mentality, "sick call ranger" bullshit. They prattle on about how great the healthcare system is, USE THE MOTHERFUCKER. You might catch shit for "riding a profile" but what is your unit going to do for you two years from now? You're already forgotten, flipping burgers or roofing or marrying your boyfriend or god knows what. The reason I stress the medical issue is...

DISABILITY CLAIM. If you even remotely have a chance to get disability, take it. I sure as hell am. I paid dearly for this enlistment. Extra money for it? Put that shit in my hand. Or, be "hard" and whatnot, and enjoy your aches and pains and inability to do the things you used to, and have nothing to show for it. And for fuck's sake, if you're seeing headshrinkers thanks to your adventures with this army, you know where I'm going with this. Take advantage or don't. It isn't a moral judgment, it's common sense.




90 days out you'll be able to go to an ETS briefing. You bring the packet that the ACAP people gave you at the first brief you had there. At this ETS brief, they will take that packet and wonder why you don't have a shitload of other forms. You'll get those as you can. On to that.

There's a mandatory one-on-one with a reserve career counselor. You have to go. Keep the paper he/she gives you that proves you went. You need that, a copy of your ERB (update it, fuckstick, and make sure your deployment(s) are on there), your life insurance forms, the first three pages of your contract (don't worry, no matter the case, you can get them), and your leave form if you're taking terminal leave.

Getting this leave packet done can be a pain in the ass. During this entire process, keep hitting up your S1 and training room desk dudes. No one is going to walk you through this, you gotta chase that chicken and choke it yourself.

There's much more to it, like having your shit sent back home to mom and dad, and let them worry about where to store it for two months while you dick off, not to mention cleaning and turning in your gear, and jumping through a billion hoops and God help you if you don't have the necessary paperwork or else you gotta come back later, son.

And they told me I was an idiot for starting early. There have and will be snags and hangups. Do it as soon as possible. And never, EVER forget the Short-Timers Code of Conduct. (Stand up at a halfassed version of Attention as you read, nay, SHOUT these sacred words)





THE SHORT-TIMER’S CODE OF CONDUCT

Anonymous

Article I.
I am an American short-timer. I serve in the forces into which I was so carelessly drafted/enlisted/recalled/stop-lossed. I am prepared to leave them at the time so designated by the Department of the Army, or sooner if at all possible.

Article II.
I will never extend or re-enlist of my own free will. If I am in command, I will never allow my fellow short-timers to fraternize with the lifers.

Article III.
If I am called before the Commanding Officer, I will continue to resist his re-enlistment talks by all means available. I will make every effort to escape.

Article IV.
If I should become the victim of an involuntary extension, I will keep the faith with my fellow short-timers. If I am the shortest, I will assume command; if not, I will obey the shortest.

Article V.
When questioned, should I become the object of a re-enlistment interview, I am bound to give only my name, rank, service number, date of birth and date I am due to be discharged.

Article VI.
I will never forget that I am an American short-timer, responsible for my actions, and dedicated to the principles which have made carefree, happy civilians out of thousands of short-timers before me.





Fuck yeah.

I'm somewhere in the whole process, so there are things I still haven't learned the hard way. Any of you ETS-successful readers out there, feel free to add to this guide. This needs to be completed, edited, perfected, and widely distributed so that no short-timer go unseperated.

94 comments:

themorethingschange... said...

Gloryoskie, the end approacheth.
Let us celebrate!!

You're absolutely right, nobody will walk you thru the process -- maybe they think the American Soldier is smart enough to figure it out on his/her own.

NOT. Beware the tricksters!

I will admit tho, the movers sure make things easier.

Cover your ass. Cover your ass. Cover your ass. I know you'll take all the advice CB and others have to offer. Its much easier to document everything up front so you can avoid the end run a year or so down the road.

And remind yourself daily that all this is not just a hassle designed to frustrate you (which it probably is), but time out of work and insurance against the day Uncle Sam comes knocking again.

Gosh, I'm excited for you. So many possibilities.

Had to chuckle a little .. you've already learned one of the most valuable lessons for the working wo/man. Document, document, document. Military, civilain, it doesn't matter. It can sink or save you.

Keep us posted...
~P~

lorraine said...

You are sooo brilliant. I have followed you from the beginning and am looking forward to the end but I hope not the end of your blogging. It is a fabulous read - no matter what you are writing about. Much love - Lorraine

Anonymous said...

Themorethingschange is right. Organized paper makes you able to fight the bullshit in there or out here!
Suspect, you're the best. I think you understand the Army doesn't want you to just waltz out of there. They want you to feel like leaving is a bad idea. Think "nasty divorce," with you being the guilty party. We'll take you back, you know...
Watch out when you get out. There are other organizations that love to snap up disillusioned soldiers freshly out of uniform. State of California just never has enough prison guards.
You're going to do just fine. Keep talking to us when you get out.

bigD said...

OMG...a funny, funny, funny one! I did not discover this wonderful post until 0237 hours, so I will formulate a reply in my dreams and post tomorrow. I love the Short-Timers Code of Conduct!!!! Keep on rockin' their Army strong world Ryan. Those CO's never saw paper fly so fast! ;)

admiyo said...

You are probably better off getting a position with the Nasty Guard or reserve than going IRR. Niether are really a guarantee against getting called up again, but I suspect that they are less inclined to disassemble a guard unit than to pull someone out of the IRR. YMMV.

rayanne said...

Suspect, I have enjoyed your blog from the very beginning and I hope you continue to keep us posted in what ever you do. You have a great outlook on things, regardless of the Army, and it is nice when we check it and you have something new to say.
If anything, the Army has taught you to document, document, document and I agree with themorethingschange, that lesson is valuable wherever you go.

Anonymous said...

Is that right, Admiyo?

Then why is my happy ass sitting here in Anaconda?

"Nasty Guard"? Are you shitting me?

Thanks a whole hell of a lot...

Next time your ass needs to be hauled out of a flood, or dug out from under a heap of volcanic ash, or you need an emergency shipment of food and medical supplies, or you need somebody to guard your convoys halfway around the world from the assholes who are trying to blow your shit up, watch it with the "Nasty Guard" crap.

Oh yeah, and it took this "Nasty Guard" two week to qualify Table Eight in his Brad, something an Active Duty unit takes a couple of months to do...

Shortie, you did your time... Get out and Godspeed, I hope you find success. Just be careful who you toss that type of shit around to; the guy sitting next to you wearing the local beer distribution company shirt on might have just got back from where I'm at right now...

Good luck.

mamaworecombatboots said...

My two cents: Find a way to get your mitts on your original medical record and make sure YOU keep hold of them. If you have to have medical records to outprocess, make copies and let the Army have the copy. You might need them someday--even if just to save yourself from getting another tetanus/typhoid/yellow fever/etc etc shot for the next 20 years

Keep track of your DD Form 214--the original one. I've never understood why a copy wouldn't do but there have been times when I had to have the original.

Best wishes, you'll be there soon enough.

Anonymous said...

I am not nor have I ever been a member of the armed sevices. None the less I like the National Guard. I am on the other end of the spectrum, a community activist. During a rather large action I witnessed police going way over the top in their treatment of the arrested. It was National Guard people who quietly stepped up and intervened. And I heard a lot of good things about the Guard in New Orleans after Katrina. I bet Admiyo was making a little joke.
Somebody is doing a good job, somewhere. Good luck!

Chap said...

From this lifer dog, thank you for your service. I've always held that service is service and re-upping is a personal and difficult decision, and whatever decision a guy makes should be respected.

I think one of the reasons getting out is so hard is that there isn't a group of guys who have been there done that and can give lessons learned--and for that reason this is a valuable post.

I second the recommendation to Xerox your medical record--and your shot record especially in case you go traveling.

Also, once you have your DD-214, you can register it at your city hall and they'll put a copy of the thing in their records, so if your house burns down or something ten years later, they have the document available for you and it's certified. I did this when I got out the first time (being a lifer, it was for school and a commission) and went to the same place in city hall where they did justice of the peace weddings.

Alex said...

For the shit that got lost, stolen or borrowed, go to your supply and ask for a Loss and Damage report. Then write up everything missing and say it was lost in IED explosion or some shit. Get it signed by your CO and you'll be good. I had seven or eight missing items and didn't pay a dime.

Anonymous said...

I am in the process of ETS'ing right now and am completely stuck with the 'per diem' crap that comes with moving (or driving rather) back to my HOR. Finance threw a page with per diem rates at me and said that they "think I am authorized 8 days" to drive back to my HOR. I did not get advanced pay and have searched the net for answers. WTF am I entitled to for my travels back across the country? The Army is going to put my crap in storage until Sep, but otherwise husband and I are driving from VA to CA. Any of you have words of wisdom for this short-timer? thx

Anonymous said...

i joined the army thought it was a good thing didnt realize it is a prison no matter how old you are you must ask for permission stand around and do nothing and wait people dont like you becasue you are nice they think something is wrong and they say you should have never joined i joined to serve my country im in iraq right now i work 3 hours a day i have a sgt who thinks they can talk shit to anyone some of us that she dotn like she holds us hostage and prisoner i am not aloud to do anything go anywhere except 4 hours a day 3 to work 1 to pt im hanging in it is tough sometimes
this is rediculous i will not re-enlist i willmake sure i have adamn good reason they dotn call me back in a few years of me getting out this is torture a prison where you have no rights do what you are told no freedom if they see you happy they try to take it away from you tell them what you want the oppisite of and youll be alright and they way they talk and they are racisit against every one they make shit up and spread it as if it was real and the high rankers believe the shit just a bunch of bullshit really theyre not there to help you and when you try to do something on your own they are in your face either way have the fuck it attitude it gets you some where more than being "the good soldier" there is a famous saying a good woman doesnt get far a bold woman makes history and change
a man too anyway i feel like i can breath reading all these posts
it is volunteer to get in why cant we volunteer the hell out ? it more so the friendly fire sometimes you have to worry abou tthen where ever you are deployed and that is the insane trueth it really is true good luck to who ever wants to be in or if there is any good units out there but all these military values i have no seen very many soldiers act upon or have instilled in them at all it is a terrible shame its like joiing some evil cult that you cant just get out of but there are ways you just have to find them and make a way for yourself but cover your ass if you dont want to ever come back get a perm. profile before you ets that way they dotn call you back do something .
and just to comment to all the big talkers before we left to come here to iraq there the ones who are not making it here the "macho" ones who talk shit . karma karma karma .

Anonymous said...

It may not apply to all bases but on my base (Schofield Baracks, HI) You can take your TA-50 to Quartermaster and they will clean it for you for free. Then you take your recipt with you to CIF and they can't kick it back for being dirty cause the Army cleaned it. Like i said, i dont know if it applies everywhere but worth looking in to...

ME said...

I have only 6 days left until I take terminal leave. My biggest tip is this.


TAKE CHARGE OF GETTING YOUR ORDERS!


Yours orders are the most important document you can obtain, because without them you can not get your JPPSO date, flight itinerary, DD 214, or clearing papers. My unit has STILL not given me my orders, but that's ok because I went through my finance and transition office and got them months ago! The point is that if you do not take charge of the situation and get your orders months in advance, your unit might screw you.

Dreaguns said...

Hola fags,
I'm about to ETS also and I submitted my terminal leave packet two months prior to ETSing. I got 25 business days left before I clear and I was called in to resign my leave form twice; once because there is a mandatory sentence that needs to be written on block 17(remarks). The second time was because my supervisor signed the Terminal leave form. He does not sign it, the Commander does. I have 88 days of terminal leave.
I just hope that the bitch in BDE S-1 don't forget my about my shit like they always do. I'm going to call her up on monday. They tell me that female S-1's are the ones likely to jack your shit up cause they often pull some bitchy attitude about working all day.

sweetbabiesmomma said...

As the wife of a retired soldier(not a lifer hurt in Iraq) i have learned a lot in the 10 years he was in.
1.if you are missing gear at the time of PCS or ETS never buy new stuff back or pay for it through CIF The military hardly ever issues new so why should they get new back..Pick it up at pawn shops ect. where ever, cheap even if it is damaged as long as its not burns or intentional damamage you can notice they will accept it. Of course there are exceptions on the sensitive items but for the most part its alot cheaper.
2. Never Never Never take anyones word for fact I can not stress enough GET IT IN WRITING and signed. You might as well know if its promised to you and there is no papers to prove it your probably not going to get it.
3. If its offered take it dont be one of those prideful people that turn it down just out of principal the military takes alot from us why shouldnt we do the same.
4. Know your options when getting out people who served in the military get a heads up on government jobs and military time counts toward your retirement.
5. If you were hurt in anyway in the military go to the VA even if the military didnt give you a disability rating that doesnt mean that the VA wont they have a whole different set of rules.
There really is alot of stuff out there for people who served I will start making a list of the ones that i know of and post them on here later.
But i have to say the most important thing i learned was have as much fun as possible and live it up you never know.....

Anonymous said...

Just so you know you can get a memo from you CO to turn your CIF in early i have done this about 2 months from getting out, it makes it a hell of a lot easier.

iwantout said...

My contract is up 6/5/10 after 8 years. I have started the ETS process. I get an email on my army site yesterday saying that I have a slot in 12 weeks of recruiting school followed by 3 years of recuiting. WTF? It also said that by recuiting, I will be exempt from stop loss. WTF? My family has been through enough without adding recruiting to the mix.
I could just puke. Any thoughts on how I can get out of this putrid assignment?

The Usual Suspect said...

I seriously don't think they can stop-loss you into recruiting. I'd bring this up with your chain of command and see what they can do for you. That has to be an oversight, and you should be able to get that corrected easily enough.

Anonymous said...

You are my role model! I truly believe there is only 1 reason anyone should ever re-enlist in the Army: if you have no family, integrity and ambition. Good luck with the ETS and congrats on making a better life for yourself. I am counting down every last day until I leave this brainwash crap behind me. 1070 days to go!

Spc Perez said...

I am currently stop/lossed and I hate it all I do here in Iraq is sit on my ass all day dont even have a job to do anymore and there making my unit stay here for no fucking reason. I could have been working on my life carreer but no im sitting here waiting for the end of this deployment. To top it all off no one in my direct chain of command wants to help me with anything when it comes to my ETS all they say is "I dont know, cant help you" but I need help as far as getting my stabilization waiver and getting an estimated return to state side dates. I know that right about now were at estimated under 100 days left and I really need help from some one who was stop/loss and got out right away after coming back. Thank You!

Anonymous said...

I am currently station in korea until my ETS date which is in 2012. I know there is a lot of time. but Im definitely getting out. I miss my civilian life at the beach in florida.

Anonymous said...

Suspect -

Hey brother, There's alot of that 'gray line' bs going on here now.

There's a flood of individuals that are being stuck in the gray area in the Army right now, being pushed and shoved into re-enlisting, when really, we all just want to get out.

We read your blog, and kinda wish you were still updating it from time to time - But I understand that's a legacy left behind, and its time you open a new chapter.

I'm getting out in 2012, but right now I'm over in Iraq with a stryker brigade, stuck not doing my 'kick-in-the-door' job due to the agreement we have not to do anything but supervise our Iraqi scum bag counterparts... Its much different than my last 2 deployments.

So I've got about 15 months left (after the mandatory 120 day 'make sure you're not a walking wounded' post deployment phase), and already they put me on orders I knowingly can't accomplish with the amount of time I have remaining in service... My case? Drill Sergeant School - mandatory 24 months remaining in service upon completion of DSS.

So, now that I have to sign a Dec Statement, what would they do with me other than just leave me at Fort Lewis?

I've been searching for DAYS trying to find out what the minimum amount of time remaining til I ETS is needed to send my ass overseas to korea? Do I need 12 months left? Do I need 24 months?

My retention NCO is trying his damnedest to scare as many people into re-enlisting... 'don't sign that dec statement, its career suicide' - I want to take that DEC statement and shove it up his ass...

Let me get the fuck out, let me have a life. Quit telling me non-factual shit just to scare me into going overseas. Show me the Regs you son of a bitch, and give me a good reason to Sign on the dotted line... not to re-up of course, but to say in visible ink, take your orders and shove it.

Anonymous said...

If you have an ETS date of 23 June and have 35 days of leave saved can you add all those 35 days onto your ETS and actually get out 20 May? Also if you do this and get all the appropriate paperwork signed will you have to remain on Base or close by until the original ETS date of 23 June?

Need help! Too many opinions and people that just don't know.

Anonymous said...

Love this post!! I got out years ago, and remember what it was like at the end so well. I think the advice here is great. I wish I'd known this stuff when I was going through it. My husband's short-timing now, and I'm totally showing him this. He's gonna love it.

Oh, and the most important thing I can tell people who are short-timing right now (that hasn't already been mentioned here) is that everything will be fine on the outside. It's not easy, you're probably not going to make wads of money right away, and most employers are actually rather hesitant to hire new veterans (because they think we're all getting called back). Even so, something will pan out, and you'll make it work. That's life. I worked for $7.50 an hour in a laboratory while finishing up an engineering degree (Thanks, GI Bill!). When I finished it, I moved onto bigger and greater things. Going back into the Army was NEVER a consideration, even during the hard times.

Basically, the bottom line is that people want to tell you how dismal it is on the outside, and how you'll never make it without the military, but that's all BS. You'll make it if you want to. Aren't we all taught in the Army to find a way (or is that just us Engineers?)? That's all it comes down to out in the real world. You find a way.

Jeremy said...

Well, where to start? I have spent 7 years in the military. I had back surgery and thought that I was going to get a med board, but my PCM told me that I should just file a claim with the VA. I am trying to get a medical extension so I can try to stay in or get a med board because my wife is pregnant and I need an income with no interruptions. I am supposed to get out in August and have yet to receive clearing papers or orders or anything concerning ETS. I can't even get in to see my PCM. Great medical coverage. So does anyone have any tips on who I should talk to or cuss the fuck out. I am tired of trying to jump through hoops and do tricks just to get something fuckin accomplished.

Anonymous said...

Jeremy- I don't know where you are stationed but the hospital thier has a patiant advicate. Use this person to push whatever agenda you need. If you aren't getting the results you need call the Army Review Boards Agency. I don't care what you CO-(regardless of rank) says. The final stop is the Review Boards. They also cover EO violations. Give them a ring and see what they have to say...

john said...

Well I'm a short timer with less than 90 days left and I've found myself in a predicament, I'm stuck between two battalions with orders to one that doesn't want me and sent me back to my old one. Now no one will help me get orders bringing me back since I'm short and wouldnt extend to deploy. Does anyone know a way to for me to get orders?

Anonymous said...

If you are talking about getting ETS orders then you have to have your terminal leave form signed and complete. Take that to your transition center and they will process orders for you. That's what I had to do here in Germany.

Anonymous said...

Has anyone ever just ETS'd without clearing? I'm currently deployed and with return with about a month left until I ETS. Thought about just getting up and leaving one day and not returning

Anonymous said...

hi im pv2 daneault i did my time and the army f*cked me on this one i tried to get a extension to deploy and i got denied by hrc "supposedly" never got a notice or nothing was supposed to start clearing months ago now i am fast tracking with less than 30 day's to FUCKING CLEAR!

Anonymous said...

For somebody who's is trying to ets out of the army this may make it a little bit sooner. Its called a chapter 15 I believe a college sepearation. Your unit will release you up to 90 days prior to your initial ets date. The trick is to find a university that is within that 90 day window and apply to it and obtain an acceptance letter. Go to your hrc person who should be in transition office before you take any steps cause they will point you in the right direction. Getting out 3 months earlier doesn't sound bad to me.

Anonymous said...

I am currently about 5 mothns out and i have been in for going on 7 years. holy shit i have never had so much info on one post befre. its funny how the army hides everything for you. there are a lot of things that can benefit a soldier but no leadership wants to dig the info up to help his or her soldier. i am an nco and i am not going to i am shamming my ass off. oh but dont get me wrong i am telling all my joes straight up about the army and being honest. if they need something i bust my ass off for them because i always had to do it for myself. i see a lot of joes getting screwed over by little shit. like losing ta-50 gear or not getting bah for like 6 months even with the proper paperwork. its fucking embaressing. there is the one spc who is married but living in the barracks. his wife lives in a different city close by because of work but he gets no bah. i told him that is not right and after 2 months of digging up info and arguing with finance he is getting 8000 grand back pay.fuck the army i am out. i just talked to my 1 sergeant and he was about to give me that "why do you want to get out" speech...i told him straight up..i want my god damn rights back! he said i dont blame you. fuck...im out.

Anonymous said...

I got out in January.. best decision ive made in a long time imo. going to school now using post 9/11 gi bill.. school paid for, books paid for, and still getting BAH as a civilian. i highly recommend using it when you get out. if anyone has any questions i can try and help.

Also, beware of the army sticking you with BS orders when you are close to getting out and telling you that you have to fulfill them. I got stuck with recruiting orders that said i had to do another 3 years when i was only 1 year from my ETS. there is a way out.. a Declination of Continued Service Statement (DCSS). you get barred from re-enlistment and lose your P status if you have one (i was a E-5 P and they took mine so i didnt get 6 before i got out) it kind of sucked, but i didnt have to go recruiting and got out when i was supposed to

Anonymous said...

forThat is crazy. i wrote the comment above yours and i came back to this site on a random search and i had a question about that. i am an e-5 and i was just thinking what is they try to give me orders to drill serg or recruiter. i have NO desire to stay in and i just did a P.T. test for my last NCOER and did the minimum required.they know that i dont give a shi ecause i usaully get around 280-300. but anyway i am just stressing out if they are going to drop a BS thing like that on me. I am currently deployed and should be getting sent ackin december to get out in march. hope the army doesnt fuck me over! and anyone know of any other reason or ways to get out if you get dropped BS orders like that?

Mr. Smith said...

I cannot say how grateful I am to be less than one month from the start of my terminal leave. Since my first day checking into the hotel prior to leaving for bct with a curfew? I knew this was a mistake. I joined at 23 yo and after obtaining my bachelors, joined enlisted bc my recruiter fucked me...oh well. I have counted down the years months and days...it has been the longest 5 years of my life. I was only at one duty station bc I volunteered to deploy twice bc if I am here I might as well make the most of it. It seems to me that the army is an active duty welfare program for 90% and a realized mistake for the other 10%. If you don't concur with this statement or know what concur means it is bc your prolly part of that vast majority and I have been too busy babysitting and wiping your ass to openly tell you the truth until now. The army is so simple and lacks any significant purpose. When I see thousands of soldiers on my base alone doing NOTHING from 9 to 5 nearly everyday...I see how our economy is failing...I have never experienced any sense of real meaningful accomplishment in the service and I have yet to see anyone else do anything noteworthy with the few exceptions while deployed...but why are we there again????? Lmao. Best wishes to those who want to get out and will survive the outside world because daily I wonder how Darwinism hasn't thinned out my brigade my 90%. You can call me Mr/Sir now....soon to be civilian.

Anonymous said...

I have a question for anyone who's ETS'd from overseas...I'm currently stationed in Italy going to ETS in June 2012. I'll have over 70 days of terminal leave saved up which means I should be getting out of here in April 2012. My question is, if I turn in my terminal leave and go back to the states early, will I have to fly my happy ass back over here and sign out on the day I ETS out of the Army? I know this sounds like a dumb question, but I've been told by a couple of different people that they witnessed other soldiers have to do just that. Any guidance would be appreciated...

Anonymous said...

Best Blog on ETSing I have ever found.. not very much good info on ETSing out there. One thing ive heard and am not sure on so if anyone has had this happen fill me in, but say I go to school after I ETS, if I get an IRR Recall cant i file for an exemption for being in school? Also if i just move and say the army cant find me to get recalled do they just say the hell with it and let me keep being a civilian until my EOS date? And Lastly does DEP (delayed entry program) count as time off my IRR time?? how do i find my EOS date? Any help at all would be awesome :) currently deployed to Afghanistan with a year left before my ETS date :)

B_All1112 said...

i ets in about less than 10 months can anyone tell me what exactly i have to go through i know ACAP, but what else. any help would be greatly appreciated, thank you.

Anonymous said...

I ETS in OCT sadly I'm currently deployed until 90 days out of my ETS date... I know that CIF and everything else is going to be a bitch I havent even ACAPed yet which blows. I know about document everything, I was wounded my last deployment and yet to have surgery to remove the shrapnel in my leg, my back is pretty much done and well chronic headaches are a real bitch from the blast TBI... Do I have to go to sick call or can I skip them all together and go straight to TMC? oh and I'm planning on taking terminal leave about 30-50 days of it so it really only leaves me with a month to clear and get everything ready and I would still have to move myself and my wife and daughter back home. Does the Army pay for the move like a dity move? if anybody has any advice I would appreciate it these last 5yrs have been a bitch lol

Anonymous said...

JPPSO or dity move, you can do either. I was a barracks rat, so JPPSO boxed up my shit and sent it to my parents house for me. It was awesome. Other dudes that are married, they usual rented U-Hauls and did the dity.

Start with sick call. Document, document, document. And you'll probably be going to a lot of VA appointments. That's ok, VA is pretty great all things considered.

All the best, brother.

-Suspect

Anonymous said...

this page is awesome.ive got 1 month left untill i clear this shity unit in fort irwin.i dont know all the steps i have to take but so far ive been to all the acap shit,my phase 1 physical,a dtap brief, and ive turned in my leave packet(still waiting to get signed).i think all i got left is my phase 2 physical,a transitions brief,and set up a dity move,then clear.

nobody in the army will help u through the process of geting out.ive asked everyone in my platoon for advise on what to do and noone is helping,what happend to good ncos.

anyways i cant fuckin wait i feel like this is the best decision in my life to get out cause the armys only gettin worse. if im forgetting to do anything before i get out please let me know.good luck everyone else

Anonymous said...

After three years being in the Military and loving it I had reenlisted... Then I PCS'd to a new and things changed... this has been the worst experience of my life dealing with these petty ass people... NCOs setting soldiers up to get in trouble so they look bad, NCOs making up telling their soldiers that PT Formation will be at a different location in the morning and the soldier shows up and no one is there, the soldier goes back to the company area to only find out that formation location was never changed and the 1SG yells at you for being late and when you say SGT so and so told me formation was at the PT Track SGT So and so calls u a liar... yeah it’s like that... Well I have been stationed here for 3 years and shit has not changed... new people same shit... and since SGT so and so had a problem with you everyone follows suit because they can’t think for themselves and everyone has to judge a soldier on what the last NCO told them.
So in the end I decided I never want to be in this type of situation ever again. I never want someone to have their hands around the neck of my career again and just because they don’t like me on a personal level they decide to squeeze the life out of it... They killed it for me...so I decided to get out on the family care plan... fuck this I’m done.. I will give u short timers a tip, FILE A CLAIM WITH DISABILITY, it’s much easier to have a claim already filed now so when your aches and pains get worse as you age it is already on file and they will be able to treat you for those ailments at a VA hospital years down the road. Rather than "oh shit i had this injury due to something the military did but I didn’t file when I got out and now its acting up again and now i have to prove it happened while I was in.

Anonymous said...

The person who asked about the IRR. The answer if you get recalled, I learned this too late. They have paperwork that you have to sign before they can assign you to a unit. I was recalled via an email that was sent to me. When I called the unit they said that if I did not sign up with a unit Uncle Sam would randomly assign me to unit and I would end up deployed. Do not let them use any of those tactics. Just DO NOT respond. They still have to get you to sign paperwork. I had already signed the paperwork they sent me when I overheard a conversation that the recruiter was having with someone else who was recalled on the same premise. He said they came back and said that they never sent that email out with the memorandum. I saw RED, and there was no way to get out of the paperwork I had already signed.

Additionally on another note. I am an NCO and I know that not all NCO's are out to get soldiers. I think it depends on the command. Sorry, you all did not have good NCOs to take care of you when you needed them most.

Anonymous said...

Really cool post. I learn a lot within the past hour. i got one year left, i need to get started.

Anonymous said...

Well, I'm a code 11 on my ERB, which apparently means my ETS date is changing to 90 days prior to what it was. That's fine. The problem is that my ERB isn't updated and I am being forced to go to 3/4 month training instead of clearing, which is what I should be doing. I'm profiled against rucking, running and a lot of other crap so they will "trans me to where I need to go". It's a bunch of bullshit. They aren't deploying with me and I will have a month and 19 days to get everything done except the TAP workshop. I have 4 different VA claims to make, all documented. MRIs in the middle of the training that I cannot go to. It's ridiculous. I have little to no idea what I should be doing at all.
How soon can I do my physical from ETS date?
How am I supposed to do this separation checklist when I'm continually doing training that needs to be added to it?
How do I update my ERB? The Army forgot to put every single school I've done on there.
How can I quit getting taken advantage of and get this shit done?

GIJosie said...

I am 11 months out. The Hiring Heros career fair is coming to my post while I am TDY. Does anyone have any good tips for getting a government job besides the USA Jobs web site?

Anonymous said...

2 months and I am out!!! Done with this silly army bullshit!!! Everyday I'm in is a constant reminder of why I'm getting out!! I am proud of my army time but I am done with it. The army could offer me a million dollars and I still wouldn't reenlist. 8 years and 3 tours, done son!! Already have my orders and DA 31 signed. Just waiting for the days to pass. Good lucky to everybody else!!

B_All1112 said...

the last anonymous comment, When or rather how early before your ETS did you get your orders? also, I am doing the Early drop for school i have been helped throught the process so far, as far as dropping the packet and all that included in that. My question is How long does it usually take or is it all depending on the CoC, I know that the Bde Co is the Sep auth, but what else after that.

SPC D said...

Im not sure if anybody had addressed this but I was wondering what the army will pay for when I ETS. I want to go to a differnt location then my Home of Record, I have heard that they will only ship to home of record and also that they will ship as far as your home of record. Im Married and also wondering expences like animals and Multiple vehicles. And lastly, I was wondering How I sign up for the post 9-11 GI Bill, Is that something I do when i get out and schedule for a school or do I have to get it done prior?.. I appreciate any help , Thanks

Anonymous said...

Sh1tbags....the whole lot of you. Trying to take what you did not earn. This blogger and all its followers are a bunch of losers who couldnt cut it in the easiest organization in which it is to succeed. You will all fail on the civilian side because no one is more tolerant of your sh1tbag shamming mentality than the us army. Take a step outside yourself and realize that your selfish actions are what's bankrupting this country and eroding at the morals an integrity od a one-great nation. Shame on you all...selfish a$$holes

Anonymous said...

everyone in the army shams sorry buddy. i've been in almost 6 years and i get out in two months. yay! my friend is making 100,000 a year in dubai right now. Fk the army and all its bullshit...seriously...

bob said...

Hey, asshat Anonymous. The Army fucked up my ability to sleep, my knees, back, ankles, brain, ears and I have sleep aponea now (no idea how that happened). If I'm going to live another 40 years I'll need the medical, so go fuck yourself.

Out in 22 days.

bob said...

and SPC D, if you ever even read this, you set up your GI Bill through the VA, or at least that's what I was told. I'll post here again in a week after I go through the VA. Claims are coming, I'm not going to be embarrassed about this shit anymore.

Anonymous said...

Yeah bob, the army gave you sleep apnea...and all those other problems too, because that's how sleep apnea workd physiologically. I am sure your obesity and smoking didnt contribute to any of them either....just the army to blame....or anyone else that is willing to give you money for your claims

Anonymous said...

BS....some people actually have pride in themselves and their noble service. Some people are there for more than just a paycheck. Some people believe in protecting the values of this once great nation. Then you have all the selfish sh1tbags who served half of their initial commitment and trying to suck the army and the magic money tree dry because thwy are getting kicked out on misconduct. Grow some balls, be a man. Show some integrity. Not in today's society. Where the only thing that matter's is "how I'm gonna get mine" and "who os reaponsible for this other than me"....sad

Anonymous said...

Oh, thats right. the money tree is dried up because the generals sent it over to iraq on pallets for the iraq government to loot. you have no idea whether that person who commented is obese or a smoker. so keep getting up at 4am everymorning and screwing your joes while continuously breaking your body down physically and doing things that don't make sense. your one of "them" i see. just an ass kisser who probably got picked on in high school. whatever. Just don't hate the player....hate the game son.

Anonymous said...

I heard this process involves a 2 day medical evaluation where you go through physical and mental testing.Is this true?

"Shitbag soldier" said...

Nice Blog! I get out on July 21st and can not fucking wait! My unit has been fucking with me the whole damn time I have been here and I am glad to be getting out! I got My GI Bill and my bachelors am off to better things. I hope I knock out all the out processing shit since no one is helping me with the whole thing. Already looks like I wont be able to conduct my medical separation since I wasn't informed until last week. A whole 7 working days to clear! Fuck all the haters on this blog as well its not that we are lazy or unmotivated we are just tired of being treated like slaves having someone else control everything in our lives. The best thing about my ETS "party" was telling my HS dropout NCO's and shitbag officers that I got a full ride to a Top 25 law school thanks to the GI Bill!

Anonymous said...

On the way out the door soon with four months left.I will not miss you FT.Campbell

Amanda T. said...

This is about the only thing I could find about ETSing on the internet. I am dating someone in the Army at the moment and he is about ready to ETS. I really wish he could have seen this months ago. He has about 30 days left and I am pretty sure hasn't done a damn thing. But he was recently told that he had to choose between going into the Army Reserves or the National Guard. What I don't understand is I was under the impression that he would be in the IRR but apparently his contract isn't like that and he will have to do some kind of duty and is leaning toward signing up for the National Guard. I know this might not be substantial information but I am so confused at what he is doing and what is going on. Is there anyone who can help clarify to me what kind of decision he is facing and why? And if he chooses the National Guard what this will mean for him and what he will have to do? He says he will have to report every month for a weekend and then a week out of the year. Is this true? Why can't he be in the IRR? Also lastly if he signs up for the National Guard does he get to choose his unit/station? I have so many questions and I swear sometimes he just doesn't bother to get the information he needs to. So does anyone know? Thank you in advance.

Anonymous said...

Before he gets out he'll have to talk to a reserve/ng counselor. He may have the same mos or pick a new one. He can probably go in the irr its just the brainwashing they do to keep you in. Usually you are technically in the army for 8 years. You do your ad obligation and then go into the irr pool which means they can call you up at any time and you have no real benefits. Or you can sign up as ng/ reserve. You'll work a weekend a month and two weeks in the summer a year. He will retain whatever branch benefits he joins.

Also he needs to check his contract i know a few dudes in basic there contracts were 3 years active duty then 2 years national guard and three years irr.

P.s. Your bf needs to start bustin his ass or he will take the greenie meanie both no and down the road.

Amanda T. said...

Can he transfer to another state or does he have to have to go back to his home state? Can he ever change the state he is stationed once he gets there or does he have to stick with it for 2/4 years. Whatever his contract says...(I'm not sure). Is there any place I can go to find out this information for my self? Because I can't find a website worth poop. Thank you for your help so far.

Anonymous said...

enjoyed reading all the post on here. i will be getting out in about 10 months. was going to reenlist until i deployed. while i was deployed, my 1st sgt kept saying i was going to the board and then i wasn't going to the board and this went on for about 6 month, then when i asked about reenlisting, all i got was that they sent a memo requesting a slot, that was 4 or 5 months ago i'm done with the games and getting out.

Lance Collins said...

You serious im an 11b mechanized bradley gunner it took you how long??2 weeks sucks

Anonymous said...

Let me tell you a little story. I signed up for the 8 year deal back in 01. It was 6 active reserve and 2 inactive ready reaserve. The whole reason I signed up in the first place was to get college paid for. Well. The Army fucked me out of that. I was just back from my 20 month activation including over a year in Iraq. I signed up for school and got accepted, did all my paperwork and started drawing my GI bill. Well, after about 6 months or so, I got called into the office and they tell me that the army isnt paying for it. I asked the ACTING 1sgt (he was a sfc) why the hell I wasnt getting any support financially for my schooling and that motherfucker said pass a PT test. Look in my prime I could do 60/60 PU/SU and my best time for the 2 mile was 17 flat. Period. That was in basic. I am not built to run and never will be. They passed me anyways and I get to fly over to the big sandbox and do my duty. Know what? Didn't have to pass a fucking PT test to get shot at by half of the angry muslim world. But I gotta do it to go to school? Fuck that. I did my duty. I did my time. Wheres mine? Continuing, now I owe Sally Mae like 8 grand because the army backing out on me. I had a wreck in 06 where I broke ribs, clavicle, humerous, wrist and got a hell of a brain injury. I have been on disability ever since. Sally Mae has been garnishing a portion of my SSDI check for years now putting it toward that debt that Uncle Fucking Sam should have paid in the first Goddamn place. So I take the initiative 6 months ago and start paying the agency voluntarily on top of the involuntary wage garnishment. They stop garnishing this month. Oh yeah I been on heavy psych meds from the VA also for years. Guess what? I make too much money to get the medicine for free (see where this is going? government sends you to war, fucks your head up, puts you on a grocery list of meds and makes you fucking pay for it. great huh?) So anyway I have been paying what I can every month for said years on those prescriptions. Of course it wasnt what they wanted because I couldnt afford it. 10 bucks a month. So I racked up about a 600 dollar bill for meds from the VA. I get a letter in the mail today saying that the VA is gonna start garnishing my wages for that debt. THE FUCKING DEBT TO PAY FOR MEDS OUT OF MY POCKET FOR CONDITIONS THAT THE GOVERNMENT CREATED IN THE FIRST PLACE. I called my lawyer and left a message. He should be calling me soon. Im not taking this shit lying down. If you are in the military....GET OUT NOW. If you want to join DONT.

Anonymous said...

Way ahead of you ANON, I'm getting out of this shit in 150 days and never looking back. Suspect you are a fucking champ and I wish I could have served along side of you when you were in, sounds like we would've been good friends.

Michael Wilson said...

hi short-timers!

Currently 180 days out and deployed in afghanistan. Unit has been trying to ask me to re-up or extend, but no way. Do they have the right to keep me down-range till i'm 90 days out?

Short Timer said...

I come back and read this time to time. I ETS in 90 days, going to be a good day. Thanks for the blog.

Anonymous said...

Is there Such a thing where if your within 90 days of you terminal leave, that you don't pull CQ,BN staff duty or any training event? If this Is true can I get. Document stating this?

They want me to go to NTC that gives me like almost 2 months to figure out how I can move my family, find a school and part time job. It's really stressful for me to get out!

Anonymous said...

Thank you,

This is the best site to read in order to keep your head up while you wait to GTFH!! I am currently at 120 days exactly. My short-timers syndrome kicked in 60 days prior. Unfortunately, they still make you pull CQ, escort others and blah blah blah. If you're in my boots, you're going to get hit with every shit detail they can throw. Don't let it get you down and don't whatever you do do not fucking re enlist!!!

Anonymous said...

Screw the army. Trying to article 15 the hell out of me 25 days before my terminal begins so they can deny it. I have been on profile and harassed the whole time so I assume this is their way of giving something back. It's ok cuz 70% for the rest of my life makes it all better. Still, the stress I'm going thru these last few weeks is only causing me to be physically sick and unable to sleep. Go fk yourself sir, you and our queer in denial 1sgt.

dunobk1 said...

hey everyone! im right there with u guys! im four months out and have just a couple questions. if u answer please include my name so i know where to look.( dunobk1) i am about to go through all the va stuuf for disability, but i want to know is there anywhere online i can find out about how much i may get for my claims? also how far out can i request a pay advance ? and can i change my home of record at all? i had more questions but cannot remember right now but will definitely be checking back in thank you all and good luck with getting the big green weenie removed from your ass lol

HAMMIE said...

Just hit my 1 year mark today. I can't wait to be done with all the army FUN!!! I am currently doing all the things listed on this blog as well as still fulfilling my duties as an NCO. I am not one to feed soldiers any BS I always tell them straight how it is. I love the fact that as an NCO you are expected to keep all the things that they "NCOs" do to soldiers to yourself. "F" that. I am a huge outlet of information for all my soldiers and they respect me for it. I plan on getting everything out of UNCLE SAM that I can. "SICK CALL RANGER" here I come and I fully inform any soldier I come across that they need to do everything in there power to get all they can from our dear ole' UNCLE

oTny said...
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oTny said...

Just a thought on "disability." If you're going to collect let's say 100% disability for life that means you can't have a civilian job for life. When you're young it sounds like free beer money but then you get married and have kids and you wanna go to Disneyland. The cost of living rises but your check doesn't or it does but just at the cola rate or some microscopic amount like that.Then it's time to retire and you have nothing saved or you've been so bored for 30 or 40 years that you've drank yourself into mental oblivion. Aside from the financial reasons, the worst thing you can do after ets is sit around and stew in the ten tons of bullshit you were fed while you were in the army. If you're really disabled, sure, take the money because you'll need it but if you can work when you ets it may be a good idea to skip the "disabled" rating, especially the 100% version... If you were bored in the Army, imagine not having a job for the next 40 years. Something to think about.

Anonymous said...

Not nasty guard its nasty girl lol not everybody is cut out for active duty

Celesta said...

Great!

Anonymous said...

I wish I would have found this blog before I enlisted in the US Army. I see my whole enlistment as a big waste of time and I didn't learn anything or advance my career. Right now the US Army is a broken place due to both wars going badly. The majority of the NCOs are high school dropouts, unable to soldier or manage soldiers and the majority are out for themselves. However, the majority of them have been fucked over while enlisted, so I kind of understand why the way they act. The majority of the enlisted are fucked up on either spice, booze, spend the majority of their time playing video games or screwing around on their smart phone. Most of them will do their 20 years because they are unemployable in the private sector. As a wise XO said to me "only the bad stay here. Take what you can and get out."

Anonymous said...

You can sign a declination statement. After 6 Years on fort drum, they put me on orders to Alaska. The only catch was that iI had to re-up to fulfill the remaining service obligation. My branch manager was less than useful in trying to change assignments, so I signed a DEC statement. No more orders. Just make sure your S1/retention changes one of the codes on your erb, otherwise you'll stay on those orders.

Tomás Coronado said...

I spent three years in the regular army as an enlisted man. I, thereafter, spent three years with the national guard. I can say, without a doubt, that all of it was an absolute waste of time. I am ashamed that I was so stupid that I signed my life away to be the slave of privileged 22 year old boys and girls, instead of going to college and studying theater, or something worth my time. I do not know what the other branches are like, but I do not know what being enlisted is like. Pathetic existence. If you must go to the military for college money, or whatever, join the Coast Guard.

Anonymous said...

I am ets on the 7th of this month I have been given orders for the 20th of this month I told command I an=m not volunteering for any service outside of my 6 year tpu obligation and was threatened with an awol if I don't show I initiated irr packet with no intent to re-up 90 days prior to ets and commander is holding it on his desk and says he will turn it in when he is done with me ? please help

Anonymous said...

Retention has to involuntarily extend you. If the 20th is some kind of error take it to the retention NCO. He can look at your contract and fix the dates

Anonymous said...

For thw guy that replied to this. If you are currently active. You are that one fucking faggot in the company that was picked on all in high school. And decided to join the military. Your good at pt and are a board baby. So you leadership loves you. Thats the only reason they do. You will place their balls in your mouth if they asked. You talk about pride. Thats gone buddie. When you have american soldiers on wic (assisted living) its an embarrassment. When your soldiers are dying not to protect this land but to protect politicians pockets. Thats where pride is lost. You need to unhook your red white and blue strap on, and open your fucking eyes. If your not looking out for yourself these days. Your as good as dead.

OverThisSh!t said...

So, my ets date is 17 June 14. I've filled out my packet, got allmy ducks in line back in March and I got a call today from my acting plt Sgt that I have to go on AT in June because my commander says and they won't process my packet til after we get back from AT, I ets in the middle of AT. Can they do this? I thought the packet had to be processed before your ets date?

Anonymous said...

Hey OverThisSh!t,

Odds are the original author will not reply, but I figured I will. I would ask the powers that be, about why you are going on their annual training when you will be ETS'ing during it. Ask them will you be allowed to leave in the middle of it? Tell them that seems fair if I am required to go. Make sure you ask: So I take it that this means I will be stop-lossed? If so, can I get that in writing?

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